Today on the show, I have the honor of speaking with Rose George. She is the foremost thought leader on the problems in the shipping industry, shit, and the sanitation industry.

There I was about three months ago at an incredible conference in New York City and one of the presentations was on shit and what the world doesn’t realize about the sanitation industry. To say I was shocked by the information I discovered is the understatement of the century. More than 2.5 billion people in the world don’t have a toilet and many of them practice open defecation — which means they go number two in a field that typically feeds into the crops and water systems nearby.

My hope with today’s episode is that this conversation with Rose will help shed light on how you can do one of two things:

1. Either be the change-maker who solves one of the problems Rose sheds light on
2. You emulate how Rose grew into the expert she is today

And an added bonus? Rose shares how she still found a way to have an excellent cup of coffee while on a ship at sea for many, many months.

On this episode, we talk about:

  • How Rose uses fiction to enhance her non-fiction writing
  • Using story to enhance a non-fiction narrative
  • The world of sanitation, its problems and what you can do to help fix it
  • The shipping industry and the small fixes that could reverse its heavy environment impact on the world below sea level

Connect with Rose here:

I don’t know about you, but every time I go number two, I’m going to have a lot more to think about. And I hope you join me on Nov. 19 for World Toilet Day as we all move forward to a better design for our everyday defecation. It’s one of the simplest things that we all do and it’s something that we could be doing better.

I hope you got as much out of that as I did and I’d love to hear what you think and what you are working on. Share your thoughts with me on Twitter @markwguay or over at


P.S. If you want to strike, join my friend Matt Damon and I here.

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